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We are a small farm by the Blue Ridge Mountains in the heart of beautiful Virginia. I have been involved with Gypsy Horses for over fifteen years now. I had my first Gypsy mare in 1994 at a time where no one in the US (except for the British and Irish folks residing in this country) had even heard about this breed.I knew since then that those are the right horses for me and have been gathering all the information that exists about this wonderful breed.
In England and Ireland, Gypsy Horses are officially titled as "Romany Horse", Coloured Cob" or "Irish Cob", but in the U.S. they are known under many different names like: Gypsy Horse, Gypsy Cob, Irish Tinker, Gypsy Vanner, etc. Those names refer to the same breed. The only difference between a Vanner and a Cob is basically their size. Cobs range in sizes between 13.1hh and 15.1hh and Vanners between 15.2hh and 16.2hh.
There are currently four registries for this breed in the U.S., the "The Gypsy Horse Registry of America" (formerly known as Gypsy Cob Society of North America), the "North American Gypsy Horse Association" the "Gypsy Cob and Drum Horse Association" and the "Gypsy Vanner Horse Society" with the two latter mentioned being the very first established registries for this breed in this country.
But despite their names they do allow Gypsy Cobs and Vanners of all sizes in their registries. The majority of the Cobs imported to the U.S. are mostly from England and are no of lesser value than the ones that are called Gypsy Vanner Horses as some who are new to this breed may believe. It's just a preference of the owners here in the US in regards to where they want their horses registered and in no way makes them horses of lesser quality. The cob sized horses of good quality as well have become harder to find on the british isles and therefore have become more expensive.
Breed Standard with the Gypsy Vanner Horse Society VHS Breed Standard with the Gypsy Cob and Drum Horse Association
Where to register?
After comparing those two standards you gotta ask yourself: What is the difference between a Gypsy Vanner and a Gypsy Cob? It's just a name and again, the different registries here in the U.S. don't distinguish between the sizes anyway! So don't get yourself confused; I think they all do a great job and working hard to promote and preserve the true gypsy horse type and all have strict regulations when it comes to registering your horse but none is the only true and better one.
The reason why Gypsy Horses are so popular is for one the fact that it is a very beautiful, gentle and people loving breed. Because of their temperament, they are perfect for driving, trail riding and therapeutic riding but can also be used in every other sports discipline like dressage, western, jumping and more. The "Travellers"* of the British Isles have been breeding these magical looking horses to pull their colorful caravans through the countryside. These days the Travellers* (aka Gypsies, Romanies, Travellers or Pavee) are mostly motorized but still keep the tradition alive of breeding exceptional horses which have become well known for their great disposition and beauty.
Gypsy Horses have been making their way into the hearts of the American people since the late 90's. What everyone has been looking for in Europe and now the majority in the U.S., are Gypsy Horses that are suitable for trail riding* the dressage/show ring, driving and as allaround reliable family horse.
Up until the early 1990's the Gypsy Horse, which comes in all sizes and colors, wasn't well known outside Ireland and England. But between that time and the early years of the new millenium they were exported in large numbers to other parts of Europe; like the Netherlands, France, Germany, Austria and Switzerland. For example, Gypsy Horses are to be found in the several thousands alone in Germany these days and are mainly being used as trail and dressage horses and seldom kept as broodstock.The reason for this is that their export from Ireland or England to the main coast isn't nearly as costly as their export to the states and there used to be plenty of Gypsy Horses to get until the late 90's, so the Travellers* weren't selling their horses for huge amounts like it is the case today.
There are of course many beautiful examples to be found outside England but they are harder to locate since many breeders on the continent simply don't speak any english and don't advertise their stock.Since I grew up in Germany I actually did get the chance to get to know many gypsy horse breeders in this country. For some beautiful examples of gypsy horses that have been imported to the states and the ones that are still in Germany click here.
But to this date the Gypsy Horse market in Ireland has been pretty much swept empty over the last years and not many good ones are left. Some beautiful horses can still be purchased in England but mainly at skyrocketing prices. Due to their popularity a great deal of the best Gypsy stallions and mares are actually residing in this country, numbering at least 5000. So if you are looking for an exceptional addition to your broodstock you may want to look around for horses that are for sale in the U.S. Sales prices for weanlings generally start at $6,000
We prefer our full blooded Gypsy Horses in sizes between 14.1 hands and 15.2 hands (not too small and not too tall). The conformation of our horses comes first along with a sweet disposition and of course tons of feather! I believe that over the years I have gained enough experience so that others won't have to make any mistakes when they want to buy a gypsy horse and don't have to regret their purchase.
Please send us an email first and I will usually answer any kind of question within the next day.
*Irish Travellers or Romany Gypsies (under which term they are internationally known) are a nomadic or itinerant people. An estimated 10,000,000 Romany Gypsies live in Europe; of which the biggest population can be found in East Europe and former Yugoslavia. Ca. 100,000 live in Germany, 23,000 live in Ireland, 15,000 in Great Britain, and 7,000 in the United States. For more info about the Travellers and their history click on our History page.
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What catches our eyes first when we take a look at a Gypsy- (Cob, Vanner) and Drum Horse? Of course.... it's the hair. The abundance of mane and feather gives this breed the exotic and magical appearance, but this is just the icing on the cake.
First we need to draw our attention to the conformation of the horse. Gypsy Horses should have the same basic conformation points as any other horse.
The head should be in proportion to the body, neither too small nor too big. The eyes should be large with an intelligent and kind expression.
The neck should be slightly arched, well-muscled, clean through the throat, not too short and tie in well at the shoulders and withers.
The back should be short with a well-sloped shoulder who's angle compliments the angle of the well-rounded croup.
The barrel should be deep with well-sprung ribs and a solid covering of muscle. The flank should be as deep as the girth.
The general appearance of a Gypsy or Drum Horse should give the impression of intelligence, kindness, strength and agility. They should be of good bonether medium weight or heavy weight, be well muscled with a sturdy body.
Gypsy Horses may be any color, either solid or colored.
Drum Horses must be at least 16hh and may have any base color but must express an obviously pinto pattern.
In order to be a traditional Gypsy or Drum Horse it needs to have at least as much hair as in a Clydesdale or Shire Horse. Mane and tail should be long and thick. Abundant feather starting at the knees and hocks, preferably with hair running down the front of the legs as well as the back. The feathering may be straight or curling and should cover the hoof.
And last, but not least; the disposition of a Gypsy Horse is what we love so much and what the breed is known worldwide for. Gypsy Horses are not only beautiful to look at but they are a very gentle and intelligent breed. Because of their temperament they are the perfect horse for the whole family (they also love children). You need to experience it for yourself in order to understand why this breed is different from any other.
In England and Ireland, gypsy horses are officially titled as "Romany Horse", "Coloured Cob" or "Irish Cob", but in the U.S. they are known under many different names like: Gypsy Horse, Gypsy Cob, Irish Tinker, Gypsy Vanner, etc. Those names refer to the same breed. The only difference between a Vanner and a Cob is basically their size. Cobs range in sizes between 13.1hh and 15.1hh and Vanners between 15.2hh and 16.2hh.
Registering a Gypsy Horse
There are currently four registries for this breed in the U.S., the "Gypsy Cob and Drum Horse Association", the "Gypsy Horse Registry of America"(formerly known as the "Gypsy Cob Society of North America") the "North American Gypsy Horse Association"and the "Gypsy Vanner Horse Society". But despite their names they do allow Gypsy Cobs and Vanners of all sizes in their registries. The majority of the Cobs imported to the U.S. are mostly from England and are not of lesser value than the ones that are called Gypsy Vanner horses as some who are new to this breed may believe. It's just a preference of the owners here in the US in regards to where they want their horses registered and in no way makes them horses of lesser quality. The cob sized horses of good quality as well have become harder to find on the british isles and therefore have become more expensive.
A good deal of vanner sized horses are registered with the "Gypsy Cob and Drum Horse Association" and many Cobs are registered with the "Gypsy Vanner Horse Society".
Feel free to compare both breed requirements:
Breed Standard with the GVHS - Breed Standard with the GCDHA
Where to register? After comparing those two standards you gotta ask yourself: What is the difference between a Gypsy Vanner and a Gypsy Cob? It's just a name and again, the different registries here in the U.S. don't distinguish between the sizes anyway! So don't get yourself confused; I think they all do a great job and working hard to promote and preserve the true gypsy horse type (vanner and cob type) and all have strict regulations when it comes to registering your horse but none is the only true and better one.
The Gypsy Horse often shows a broad stripe on it's head or has a complete white face, which isn't typical for the Tobiano. It could be a heritage of the Clydesdale influence in this breed.
Back in the earlier times, colored horses were at times less popular and cheaper to buy. The reason for this is simple, it originates back to the use of horses for the military. The horses had to be bay and not noticeable.
On the other hand, the gypsy people (aka Pavee, or Travellers) from the British Isles have been known for their preference for lots of color.
Nevertheless, there are solid colored Gypsy Horses. From some old pictures of the 60's, one can get the impression that there weren't so many colored ones among the breed. Lately solid colored Gypsy Horses are bred less and this circumstance certainly helped these horses to become more popular these days. Meanwhile as a result of breeding for color, a considerable part of the Gypsy Horses might be homozygous for the tobiano factor.
Like all draft horses and any other robust breed, Gypsy Horses are late developers and only fully grown when they are about five years old. On the other hand, they are long lived and perform well up into their 30's.
Therefore it's worthwhile to give your Gypsy Horse enough time while it is still young in order to keep it healthy and happy. That means to break in your horse only when it is about 3 or 4 years old and only to wean your mare's foal when it is about 6 or 7 months old!
Out of the FAQ page from the Gypsy Vanner Horse Society:
What can Gypsy Vanners do?
Gypsy Vanners are very versatile. Of course they were originally bred for pulling so they excel at any driving activities. Americans in particular are finding them very fun and comfortable for riding. Because of their steady nature and that they are less likely to spook, they are getting to be very popular for trail riding*. You can see them in the dressage ring, or in the show ring under western saddle, hunt seat, and saddle seat. They can be used as a hunter hack because they will jump. They have even been seen herding cattle. As a family horse there is nothing to beat a Gypsy Vanner.
Our fullblooded Gypsy (Vanner) Horses
Please click on the horse's pictures to be directed to their own pages
Faramir
Blue Ridge Gypsy Horse Farm
Beautiful, Versatile, Gentle People Loving Horses for the Whole Family
Mary
Imported
Registered with the Gypsy Cob & Drum Horse Association No.: FGI911204M
born May 1991, piebald (black and white)
The gold of the Gypsies neighs in the dark...
..and our gold neighs every morning when she sees us stepping out of the house.
Mary was our first imported mare to the U.S. in 2003 and we just adore her. She's been my No.1 and Mary of course knows that and the fact that she can get away with almost anything. She is a perfect example for this breed when it comes to disposition and conformation. Mary is everything the gypsy breeders are working toward these days, with a babydoll head, a short back and compact body. Mary loves people and is also great with other horses, especially knows what to do when it comes to teaching a young filly or colt some manners who seem to love her just as much as we do.
Mary has been a broodmare all her life and traveled around more than some people have, she was born in Ireland and then traveled to Scotland and after that to Germany before she came to the states. She is also broke to ride, she is very careful and I don't have a problem with letting beginners on her back. We had her at a farm in Tennesse in '07 where the owner's young daughters spent hours with Mary just sitting on her back while she was grazing. Something else I have to mention and that's her very smooth and comfortable trot which you could sit for hours without getting tired. Mary is now 19 years old and that's a good age for a Gypsy Horse since they are long lived and can perform well into the upper 20's. I hope that she will be with us for a very long time. Mary is definitely a keeper..
DOB: March 2007, Grey
Registered with the Gypsy Vanner Horse Society
Faramir is a very beautiful and laid back boy with lots of substance and bone. He has one blue eye - on the dark side - and the other eye
is completely lined in black. Faramir's sire is the legendary TUBBS (resides in Texas) who is a grandson of the legendary Shogun Horse.
He has a stout body on thick, powerful legs, powerful hindquarters, short back, nice shoulder and a well-proportioned head. His dam is a wonderful blue mare called Dorian owned by High Valley Gypsy Horses.
Faramir with his dam as a baby, the right one shows his gorgeous dad "Tubbs"
Tamira
Registered with the GHRA
born June 16th, 2005, tricolor, 15.2 hh
Our big girl with the big heart! We are happy to have found this sweet and rare beauty. She's been with us since she was a yearling. Tamira has won an award for "Best in Breed" in 2005 in Germany as a weanling out of 8 other competing gypy weanlings. Her grandsire is no other than "Sligo" who was well known in Germany and also resided in the US. He sadly passed away in 2009 and his death is mourned by many gypsy horse lovers who knew about him or had the chance to actually meet him in person.
Tamira has a beautiful conformation with a stout body, perfect neck and shoulder, a big butt, beautiful long mane, a beautifully marked face, several inkspots (she might be homozygous for the tobiano gene) long thick two colored tail (usually can't be seen in the pictures) and wonderful disposition. She has also proven herself as a valuable broodmare with her firstborn foal "Rhianon".
September 2010
Tamira was given the honor to participate as a school horse at Kenny Harlow's traing stable in Cumberland, Virginia. The challenge was to get Tamira broke and going through an obstacle course after just two days of training. She passed the test with flying colors and went through the obstacle course in less than 6 minutes. We didn't expect anything less from that girl. Kenny Harlow and his team participated as clinicians at the Equine Extravaganza and also participated at the Women Trainer's challenge in 2010.
MHR's Balamory
We think that with Balamory we made another god decision to add her to our breeding stock. She is a very traditional looking mare with good bone, big apple butt, lots of feather and wonderful disposition. She is a great babysitter, looooves water and is our mare Mary's best friend.
Balamory's foals are traditional looking and are everything what we look for in this breed with nice necks, stout bodies and excellent amount of feather. Balamory was nominated in 2004 as premium foal with the European Colored Horse Assocation and her first foal "Madison" won 1st premium in the Netherlands.
She easily keeps all her weight on even with a foal afoot, has never been sick and is a joy to have around.
On May 24th, 2008 Balamory gave birth to a filly called "Madison".
News: On April 25th, 2010 Balamory gave birth to another filly that we named "Morning Glory" aka "Lily"
If you have already heard of gypsy (vanner) horses you may have also heard about the people who have been breeding those horses for many decades and that they happen to be known under many different names as well (which can be a little confusing).
Romany Gypsies (under which term they are internationally known) are a nomadic or itinerant people. An estimated 10,000,000 Romany Gypsies live in Europe; of which the biggest population can be found in East Europe and former Yugoslavia. Ca. 100,000 live in Germany, 23,000 live in Ireland, 15,000 in Great Britain, and 7,000 in the United States.
Article out of Wikepedia in reference to Gypsies in Ireland:
In Ireland Travellers are often referred to (offensively) as tinker or knacker, although this is largely a misconception as both of these terms refer to services that were traditionally provided by the Travellers: tinkering being the mending of tin ware such as pots and pans, and knackering being the acquisition of dead or old horses for slaughter. Labels such as gypsy and pikey are commonly applied to Traveller communities in Great Britain. The derogatory terms gyppo and gypolata, derived from gypsy, are also heard in Great Britain. In turn, Travellers refer to anyone who does not share their nomadic lifestyle as a Gorgio or, more derogatorily, gadjes.
Irish Travellers are recognised in English law as an ethnic group though Irish law does not, their legal status being defined as a "social group".
The Traveller lifestyle has often produced friction with local communities, especially in urban areas. In 1530, Henry VIII ordered their departure within forty days unless they chose to abandon their 'naughty, idle and ungodly life'. Friction between Traveller and local community are typically attributed to allegations of increased crime following Traveller arrival in an area.
Traveller advocates counter that Travellers are a distinct ethnic group with an ancient history, and there is no statistical evidence that Traveller presence raises the local crime rate. The struggle for equal rights for these transient people led to the passing of the Caravan Sites Act 1968 that safeguarded their rights, lifestyle and culture in the UK.
Irish Travellers distinguish themselves from the settled communities of the countries in which they live by their own language and customs. Shelta (also known as Cant) is the traditional language of Travellers but they also speak English with a distinct accent and mannerisms. The historical origins of Travellers as a group has been a subject of dispute. Some argue that the Irish Travellers are descended from another nomadic people called the Tarish. It was once widely believed that Travellers were descended from landowners who were made homeless in Oliver Cromwell's military campaign in Ireland, but evidence shows that they have dwelt in Ireland since at least the Middle Ages.
Irish Travellers in movies:
* "Into the West" tells the story of two Traveller boys running away from home.
* The film "Snatch" features Brad Pitt as a stereotypical Traveller who is an undefeatable bareknuckle boxing champion. His clan also defrauds the protagonists of the film by selling them a camper that falls apart the minute they try to tow it from the premises.
* In "Chocolat", a clan of nomadic travellers are depicted as gypsies, however, it is noted that they are said to be of Irish origin.
* "Traveller" is another film, starring Bill Paxton, Mark Wahlberg, and Julianna Margulies.
* A man described as a Tinker was also featured in the 1971 film "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory".
* A travelling tinker family is depicted in the movie "The Field" and the daughter is frowned upon as a potential bride.
* The documentary, "SOUTHPAW": The Francis Barrett Story, won the Audience Prize at the 1999 New York Irish Film Festival. It followed Galway boxer Francis (Francie) Barrett for three years and showed Francie overcoming discrimination as he progressed up the amateur boxing ranks to eventually carry the Irish flag and box for Ireland at the age of 19 during the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. Francie turned professional in August 2000 and now fights at light welterweight, out of Wembley, London. [6]
* A documentary-style drama release in 2005, Pavee Lackeen (Traveller Girl), depicted the life of a young Traveller girl, and featured non-actors in the lead roles. Its director and co-writer, Perry Ogden, won an IFTA Award in the category of Breakthrough Talent.
* During 2004's "Live at Vicar Street" Recorded by newly reformed Irish Folk act Planxty, Christy Moore mentions hearing Traveller John Reilly sing for the first time and acknowledging it as a "Life Changing" experience going on to dedicate the song "As I Roved Out" to the memory of John Reilly
Article credit - Wikipedia
About MHR's Morning Glory (aka Lily)
April 2011 - Upon arrival with her new owner
"My vet was out today and said she is absolutely amazing. She said she is a beautiful girl and was she ever prancing around! She couldn't say enough nice things about her. She is doing great now. Her and Misty (my shire mare) both graze together, and when my vet was giving shots to Misty and checking her out, Lily was right next to her sniffing her and Misty did not even react. She is a love bug, has wonderful manners, and is so sweet."
Helene G., Maryland
"Hi There,
Just writing to say well done on an excellent site, very informative and entertaining. As one who also loves the gypsy cob it's great to learn of people who are like-minded. I am fortunate enough to live here in Ireland and to that end, able to see a range of cobs here there and yonder throughout the countryside. I recently travelled to County Louth in the Republic of Ireland as I had heard of an old man who apparently owned 25 cobs of all shapes and sizes. When I eventually tracked him down he took me to a field along a disused railway track and there I saw some wonderful stock. Before I left I had purchased a lovely colt foal; black and white and great bone. Standing in the corner of the field I saw another little black colt foal with a white face and 4 white socks just begging to come home with me. Two days later I phoned the old man and as a result I brought both home with me! They are now at home in warm comfortable stables and enjoying the rolling County Down Hills and eating fine organic fodder. As it is deepest winter here in Ireland they will remain in until Spring when they will be turned out into fresh spring grass to develop and only time will tell how they turn out.
But again I say well done on your efforts to promote the Irish Cob in the USA and further afield."
Regards,
Colin M Hayes
"Hi,
I have just found your web site and am glad that you have found our horse. I am a romany gypsy living in the UK and have cobs myself - wouldn't be a gypsy if I didn't! I am glad the world has discovered our wonderful breed of horse which has taken us 100s of years to produce. They are a horse in their own right. Kind, gentle and part of the family."
-Heather
Hiya
My name is felicity and I am from England. I was looking on your website and I have a horse on loan that is a 15'2, pibald, mare. I do agree that they have lovely temperament and they are very laid back, sometimes too laid back. I found your site very interesting and I have sent you a picture of her! Hope you will agree that she is beautiful!"
"We are extremely excited by the quality of horse we just purchased from Magic Horse Ranch. Richard and Doro are wonderful people and a joy to work with. They even took the extra time to make sure that our mare was safe and easy to handle before we brought her home to Wisconsin. We look forward to purchasing another filly from them in the very near future."
Derek and Denise Krause, Wisconsin
"...didn't get a chance to say this before, but I am so impressed with your farm. I had no idea that there were people out there who cared THAT much about the stock that they were importing and selling. I had one person (not going to name names) who tried to sell me a mare who was VERY under par. She was sickle hocked, over the knee, pigeon toed, and had horrible conformation. The seller, however, wanted an arm and a leg for her because she had rare coloration and the fact that she was a Gypsy. I love the things that you say about the breed itself on your website, and was impressed that you included the entire revised version of the GCDHA requirements as well. I actually helped to revise them... *smiles* So, I love seeing that people appreciate them! But, back to the original reason for this paragraph. You have beautiful stock, and I have so much respect for you and the horses you sell."
ValeriePeppers, Cosmopolitan Horse Farm
I must say the idea of importing a horse was very scary for me. I felt very comfortable working with Doro. I was impressed with her quick responses to my emails. I loved my stud colt I purchased from her. He was everything and more than I could ask for. He was lab tested to be homozygous for the tobiano gene before I got him, but to my surprise and delight turned out to be homozygous for the black gene as well when I had him tested after I purchased him. I was told he was going to be over 15 hands. He just turned two and he is over 15 hands, likely going to reach 15'3 hands. I felt like the horse Doro sold me was both wonderful and as advertised. He was a dream come true. Now we are looking for a filly, and of course I came to Doro to help us have another dream horse. Feel free to email me at ponytailgal_aol.com for more info on our journey of the gypsy horses."
Angie Pinches, Whiskey River Ranch
About Camelot
Upon Camo's arrival at his new home
We've had him in the roundpen and his training there has been going exceptionally well! In another year i'll have him enrolled at West Michigan Equestrian where they'll start him slowly in dressage. They have a couple wonderful, big hearted trainers who have been really accomplished with draft breeds, so i'm looking forward to it, plus they're about a half-mile away from us, so it'll be easy to take him there and not have to leave him.
He did WONDERFULLY in the trailer, we unloaded him 5 times on the way home to stretch him and water him (he had hay the whole trip), and you would have thought he did it all the time. We were so impressed!
Doro, he has been such a little fart! He's doing really well, he and Rick are having a ball together and we're about a week away from making his pasture even bigger because he's discovered the joys of running full tilt! He looks beautiful, his feathering is really coming along, during one hard 2-day rain he and i played in the "pond" and we all laughed like mad...He loves water! Up until about 3 weeks ago, Dollar had been going in with him, or we'd switch him and Blue to put Camo and Dollar in the 6 acre pasture together. She's done a fine job of "teaching" him what's proper and not, and he really goes out of his way to please her. Once he started really sniffing and air-humping it was time to break them up though, so now he bonds with us even more.
"Hi Doro,
We just got back from the barn and Sam absolutely loves Abigail. She was so surprised and even cried. You would have thought Abigail has been at the barn her whole entire life, she was not hyper or antsy at all. Sam has a ball that they use with the children with autism and they played with that for a little bit. Abigail was not spooked at all and even kicked it a couple times. Since they braided her mane for the trip, Sam took it out and sprayed main detangler on it. She never budged. Her temperamant is just as you said. We can not thank you enough. I promise I will keep you updated on her progress and pictures.
I can not say thank you enough, I promise we will take good care of your baby."
Talk to you soon,
Dina Hieber, PA
Doro,
I have to tell you everyone - and I mean everyone - who has seen Abigail has commented on how beautiful and wonderful she is. They can not believe what an exceptional horse she is. The one lady that was there today said she kept on looking at her trying to find a flaw and she couldn't. She said she had to be the most beautiful horse in PA. I thought you would like to hear that. Sam still can't believe that she is hers."
Abby's first show: April 18, 2009"
Good Evening. I just wanted to write you a quick note. We brought Abby to her first show today. It was just a local fun show for kids and adults nothing fancy. But this put Abby thru all the tests. They had kids running, dogs barking, a lady constantly over a loud speaker and horses everywhere. This would be the first time she left the barn and in this type environment. And she did wonderful. Nothing seemed to faze her.
When we first brought her over to the outdoor arena she was a little nervous but there were horses alot older than her acting a little crazy. Once Sam walked her around she was great. Sam just walked and trotted her thru her class. Abby did not give her any problems at all. Then her last class she was starting to get dark and the turned on the out door arena lights but it did not seem to bother her.
